• Antonio Leal

Episode#7 The Musician.....An Interview with Tim Ronan #tntweekly#timronan#music#backlineguitar

Antonio Leal 0:22

What's up

TV here episode number seven. Check out my podcast on TNT weekly. I'm on Spotify Google Apple podcast subscribe, please, and check it out. Really excited about today's show. I'm here with the amazing well renowned in a shop took me for a tour the whole gamut here. It's just beautiful out here Mr. Tim Ronan. How you doing man? Doing good?

Tim Ronan 0:54

Yeah, good to see ya. Yeah you do, Tony oh

Antonio Leal 0:56

yeah awesome awesome listen you know Everybody knows in town I you know, I know you from previous gigs and seeing you in the entertainment market and in alliston always drumming up a party with your music and, and having a blast out there but for the listeners that don't know you, you know, give us a little journey on you know what Tim Ronan is doing right now how you got here your music, your your backline guitar business which is just blowing my mind and give the listeners a little bit of Tim Rhone in history.

Tim Ronan 1:32

Holy that's a that's a lot of there's a lot of questions all rolled into one. That's great. I'm glad you went out there and saw me plan to who's Tim Ronan? I don't know. I think I think a lot of people in this area know my name and they see me out there playing Yeah. And I feel famous I'm I'm on a little interview here. For all the for all the people out there. who enjoy music I just want to say thanks for being a part of that. And I don't know what to tell you. Here in the shop, I'm building guitars. This is a new venture for me. It's been a dream of mine to build the guitar ever since I was 17 years old. I, I bought the wood. And then I had ideas. I cut out the shape and I went off to college and I pursued another avenue, as many of you know, became an airline pilot. Oh, yeah. And what school traveled all over the country and but that guitar thing kind of went on the back burner for 17 years. And now I ended up back here in the farm. And I decided to continue the project and I built one I built two and I built a few more and it turned into a little monster that we know was battling guitars.

Antonio Leal 2:49

Wow, awesome. How many years you've been, you've been added with the guitar backline brand.

Tim Ronan 2:55

This brand is fairly new. I launched last May So it's a year and a bit. Yeah, yeah. But I think I've been building a little bit longer. I think I started January of last year, which is great for tax purposes.

Antonio Leal 3:09

Right. Right on Yeah.

Tim Ronan 3:10

But yeah, so it's, it's fairly new. And I've always been good with woodworking, good with my hands. And I learned a lot here growing up on the farm and it's translated into really Fine Woodworking into making guitars, myself being quite good at it.

Antonio Leal 3:29

Well, I guess too, with your, you know, musical talent and background and love for music. You know, I guess that relationship with going right to the grassroots area of just making your own musical instruments. I can see your passion and knowledge in at least playing you know, overlapping into the production of a guitar. You know, how many guitars have you made up to date in this in this year and a half.

Tim Ronan 3:56

I just shipped off one yesterday and it was Serial Number 17

Antonio Leal 4:03

Okay, 17 guitars 17

Tim Ronan 4:07

So, I think I thought it was on 19 but I think it might be 18 I gotta think about that. But yeah, it's it's 18 or 19.

Antonio Leal 4:15

Okay, all right. That's a lot of guitars to make in a year and a bit how much you know, I boil it in and that that is a lot of guitars because I I assume that it's painstakingly long. Making your own guitar. It's such a unique process your each guitar is different. I'm looking at these masterpieces. How long is the process of you know, how many hours how many weeks to make a guitar a month or two or what

Tim Ronan 4:43

so I guess I get asked that question a lot. And it's, it changes especially at the beginning, because you you start building one there's a lot of learning experiences thing came into this. Yeah. So I think I mean, I might have a guitar where I spent 120 hours on it trying to get it right. In the beginning, yeah. But now I've kind of like this guitar here. I've got, I've got one of these. You guys may have seen it on my Instagram and stuff. It's got the nice, perfectly straight green Douglas fir on it. I mean, it took about, I think about 85 hours. So to say how long each guitar takes, I can only give a rough estimate. Yeah, but it's a lot of hours. I'll tell you that. Yeah. And if I put it into a broad timeframe, I'd say maybe two weeks. So if I put in my 40 hours a week, but usually, yeah, usually end up spending a little extra time here at the shop long days in your in your, you know, moving right into backline guitars. I mean, so a year and a half ago.

Antonio Leal 5:45

Okay, well, everybody's so fixated on COVID now on pre COVID. So, I don't know, I don't know. COVID COVID I don't know some names for those letters. I don't know. But you know the pre COVID world When you're doing your gigs Do you use a specially made guitar? Oh to the backline inventory. Have you made a guitar for you when you're playing in your gigs? Yeah,

Tim Ronan 6:10

it's my first guitar. No way I call it pepper. And it's it was the first it was that guitar that I spoke about. That's a guitar that I bought. I bought this when I was 17 Yeah, I had this idea to build a guitar so I went up to there's a I don't know if they're still there. There's a lumberyard behind the Dairy Queen and Allison.

Antonio Leal 6:30

Yes, the other one where it says obviously steam don't call the don't call the fire. Yeah.

Tim Ronan 6:35

You see a beaver lumber there? Yeah, don't call Thompson's lumber. Yeah, I think is what it's called. So I walked in there, you know, pimply faced kid. 17. Hey, do you got any cherry wood? And they said, Yeah, we got a plank right here and they sold it to me and I brought it home and I cut it into the shape of a guitar. And I kind of left it hanging in the back of the shop on top of that, wait, then over there. Yeah, and that's the one. That's the one The first guitar that I made that was serial number one, and that is my guitar that I used today. And it's it's got a Jerry body has a wenge neck, an African would. Yeah. And yeah, I still use that. And if you've been out to my gigs, you may have seen it. I don't I should have brought it here today but

Antonio Leal 7:18

wow, I didn't know that.

Tim Ronan 7:19

So that's what I use for my gigs. My little pride and joy and it's number one and that's the history on there. Love that guitar.

Antonio Leal 7:26

Wow. And sticking with that and your journey and your gigs and everything I noticed on your social media that someone picked up one of your CDs from I didn't know that they could take some music and you made some records or whatever. But you know, let's let's focus a little bit on your passion for music, audio. So you're a pilot. Now you're this guitar maker, magical instruments that you're making here. And you're so well renowned for being a musician locally, you know, for gigs and functions and parties. You know, you know those love for music Where did that come on and playing and playing in front of a crowd and you know, turning boring situations in a great parties? Oh, yeah.

Tim Ronan 8:09

Yeah, I'm good at that. Yeah,

Antonio Leal 8:11

I know. I know.

Tim Ronan 8:12

I like I like to stir the pot. Yeah. It's in my blood, man. It's, I mean, if you want to go actually back in history. I don't know how many greats, but a great, great. I want to say three greats great, great, great, great uncle. His name is Monsignor je Rona john, Iranian and he was a Monsignor with the Catholic Church, and he founded St. Michael's choir school. St. Mike's down in Toronto. Okay, so he was a very, very well known composer, and composed a ton of music. We have some in somewhere in the house. We actually have some of this. Yeah, his music, all written down. But yeah, so music goes far back in the family and I think it just kind of travels in Now, where I started playing guitar, I was never, I was never the most physically fit, dude. Hmm. And I said, Well, if the girls don't want to, like, you know, if they don't like like me now what if they maybe maybe they'll like a guy who can play the guitar and blue the

Antonio Leal 9:17

So that's how most rock stars probably my word here oh wants you to play music and shagging it.

Tim Ronan 9:26

That's it. And so that's what that was my incentive to pick up the guitar, you know, just maybe I'm not going to be fit maybe I'll be good at something else. Some some other form of attraction and then I just started really liking music. And it turned into the love of music. I started when I was 12 years old, I guess was in grade six and just started my dad showed me a couple chords here and there and then I was quick to just supersede Yeah, my father's abilities. I took a couple. I took some piano lessons, I didn't like it. So I just focused on guitar, I stopped the lessons and I self taught myself using tablature off the internet when the internet first started coming out, right? You didn't have YouTube back then. Yeah, where they show you how to play now. Yeah. So you had to know the song and you want is like binary code. If anyone plays guitar, they know what tablature is that they call them tabs. And it's just a picture of the strings and a bunch of numbers and stuff showing you where to put your fingers but it didn't tell you the tempo didn't tell you the feel of the song. You had to know the song in order to figure it out. So use a lot of that. And I saw taught myself and then it came to a point where I plateaued and I couldn't learn anymore. So another guy in the area and he harass me, Chuck went and did some jazz lessons with him. And to be honest, it wasn't my cup of tea, and I didn't really like it. But I'll tell people and I'll tell Andy did this very day. And I'm so glad that I took those lessons because some of those chords, some of those little tidbits that you taught me I used today. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't realize that at the time that I would be using it because that was kind of jazz. I don't wanna play jazz. But I but I understand it was more to it than that. It was there was an underlying, he was teaching me more than jazz. He was teaching me just good, good foundations of musical knowledge. I can't read music. And I think Andy went along with that. He just said, Okay, this guy's not gonna learn music. So he he let me go that path. Yeah. A lot of musicians don't read music.

Antonio Leal 11:31

Now. I know that. Well. I've heard that. Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Ronan 11:36

And then there's a lot of crossover I hear you know, it's, you know, you could get a rock and roller that has an appreciation for jazz and blues. And some of those chords run into their into their music, right? Absolutely. Right.

Antonio Leal 11:51

Some of those jazz chords I do you you need it.

Tim Ronan 11:53

Yeah, I think I just more knowledge. It's more more love of music. Music is music. Yeah, right. Write that down. Music is a user. Yeah. music is music. Music is music. No, no.

Antonio Leal 12:05


Tim Ronan 12:06

And then I took some lessons from another guy who was the son of my music teacher. I went to St. James Elementary School. Mike Curley was my teacher and then his son, Dan curly. I took lessons from him and taught him in public school. Elementary. Yeah. So when I was a little kid, so Dan, he taught me kind of rock lessons. And he, he taught me how to do pentatonic scales and blues scales and stuff like that. And I was really digging that I was right into it. Yeah. And then there came a point where, Dan, you just said, Look, Tim, you're just you're coming in here just to jam now. Like, like, you're done. Like, you're not done, but you're, you're free to go. And he's like, there's not much else I can really teach you here. It's just it got a little stale. To the point where Yeah, you're good to go. Now just go out and jam with other guys. And that's where you really can learn. You know what I mean? Like when they say you go to your school, and You get the tools. Yeah. And then you go out and use and was the same way and then you learn you learn everything. I think you learn more in a jam session than you do in four lessons. But that's kind of a Yeah, that's great. Because you need you need the lessons. You need the you need that foundation, right? But so in the jam and did did you have a band or did you how did you jam or did you just go out and say, okay, Fuck, I'm going out there. Here's my first gig. Yeah, just go or did you have I and uh, guys, I had a band in high school were called rebel emblem. Oh, it was a Brandon Lynch and Charlie Murray. And the bass brand was on the drums. And yeah, we played it was that little we've had played a gig up in what's up place Newton Robinson in a church. There's nothing there. But we started a mosh pit. It was the greatest. Oh, that was the peak man. I peeked there. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was fun. We played like punk sort of weird. Primus style music. Yeah, it was fine. I still has some of the recordings that we made.

Antonio Leal 14:01

Here on the screen you should put you should post them man

Tim Ronan 14:03

we should Oh, that'd be good to hear that I gotta dig them up by show maybe someday Yeah, but yeah and then I just kind of we did sort of kind of pickup hockey we did pick up bands so it's like hey man you know a goalie yeah I know guys you call them up. So it was like that with with bands. And hey, do you do you know we got a bass player you got a drummer? I know a guy who knows a guy so we call guy and then say hey, what kind of tunes we plan Okay, we're gonna do like on the watch Star Tragically Hip, you know all the all the standards. And the guys that you play with just kind of know and if you don't Well, good luck. Yeah, we're playing it anyways, just trying to you know, keep up. Yeah. And that was the fun of it. So it just kind of like makeshift bands over the years. And Chris Taggart was a big influence in my life and still is today. I met him at the groundswell. Remember the groundswell?

Antonio Leal 14:56

I do?

Tim Ronan 14:57

Yeah, I miss that place. They had an open mic there.was awesome millpond that used to be at the Nope, I didn't. It was across. It was always always been a while going with Oh, yes. Yeah. Jeanette banders egg. She owned and operated that and she did a great thing. Yeah. And Chris and I felt I always looked up to Chris because he was a couple years older than me in high school and he was like the guitar God. And we're like, oh, man, so I saw him at the groundswell. I'm like, Hey, man, you want to play a song with me? He's a cool, man. So we went up and played a played a tune. And we just had this chemistry where we didn't have to think we just played and, and he kind of felt that too, and we just kind of stuck together and every time we play a gig, and to this very day, I don't think I've played a many gigs, if any, without Chris there by my side, because he's just like, he's, he's my right hand man in the band. And we've, you know, we get different drummers and from bass players. But over the past few years, we've stopped what is known as three nightstand? And that is my band. That is it's the most stable band I've had ever since. Oh, okay. Beginning of my band days. Yeah. So and we found a bass bass player. Really awesome guy Ben Gruber. He's, he lives down in Toronto and a drummer. Anthony cook. He's up in pepper law. I saw a video on him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll get to that back in the kitchen back in the kitchen. Okay, fair enough guy. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, the band is great. We're a lot of fun. And your last podcast you did with Sandra. Yes, we play at her bar, the coup, and I love playing that place. And yeah, we're

Antonio Leal 16:39

I know that she loves you too.

Tim Ronan 16:41

I think we're a lot of fun as a band. I hear we get we start a dance party is Elena. And it's that's what it's all about. She's going and having fun. I see bands taken away too seriously. And I just what's the point? Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I like these guys. The the bass player for example. I didn't hire that guy for bass playing abilities I hired him blind for a gig. And I never heard never heard him play. I was playing at a wedding down Toronto. And he was running the elevator. He was catering the event and he was helping me load my gear into the car and he said, Yeah, play a little bass. And I just thought he was a great dude. He was funny, and I can tell you're smart. And I said, he said, I play a little bass. Okay. All right. But he didn't talk about all the gear that he had. No. Oh, I got this kind of guitar. I got this amp. And he just told me that now. I used to play in a band. We used to play the Drake hotel. So well. That's pretty good. Drake don't that's Yeah, that's, that's okay. So you gotta be you gotta be a pro. Yeah, but I just liked him as a person. So I said, You know what, it's not about playing the music. It's liking the people that are in your band. That's so important. Can you get along with this person? Because if not, it's not gonna it's not gonna end well. Yeah. So I just knew that he'd be a good bass player based upon his intelligence, and it was work. I use my gut on that. It was awesome. He's, and he's in the band. Oh, oh, he's a member. Anthony I met him through through Chris or maybe grant Boyer out a gig up somewhere. And, and Chris, he, I think he said he will get Anthony on a gig and perfect he fit in so well. And he's a great dude as well. Yeah. And he's been there. So yeah, it's pretty, pretty stable now three months on, that's awesome. And it just stands out a point you were saying on, you know, getting together doing something you love with great people that you love. And I, you know, I and I, and I believe bands are like this. And musicians are like this is I don't think it's the reach for fame. I mean, even though you'd like to be famous, you know, I don't think it's that just the love of what you want. And then I think if it happens, it happens, right? Yeah, I had a great I heard a great thing was a Stand up. Stand up it from Tom Segura. Go ahead, he's he did this thing at the end. I love this. And I've been telling a lot of people this lately, you know, he, at the end of his segment, all the laughs are gonna die. And he said, You know what, you guys should always follow your dreams, because you just should. But here's the thing don't have any expectations. But surely dreams and as long as you follow that dream in your pursuit of it, you'll be happy. But don't expect anything from it. Right? Because then you set yourself up for failure. Yeah. And so that's that's what I do. And, and that's kind of the mindset I have right now. Because Yeah, you saw a video of Anthony playing the drums. So all right. I was supposed to tell anyone this but yes, I have another album that's in the works. Oh, no. It'll be an EP. Yes. But that was the video you saw was Anthony actually laying down the tracks for the good. Oh, I can't wait. I got I got five or six. And I think they're fairly strong songs. Yeah. And I'm going to hopefully finish the recording.

Antonio Leal 19:59

Wow. And I'm like, over the summer and I don't want to I don't want to say anything like, you know, you tell too many people things and here I am on a podcast be broadcast everybody. But you know, I still want to get it done.

Tim Ronan 20:12

Yeah, I really do. And I'm driven to do it. It's been a long time since that album that that, you know, like I picked up that album and the US store I made a joke. Does this mean I made it? I love the comments that came in on that thread. People are hilarious.

Antonio Leal 20:27

Well, it's fuck I love what you're saying here because it's kind of you know, it's kind of my journey, right? I totally get it. It's just, you know, do what makes you happy man. Like, that's all I wanted. I don't want to do shit that doesn't make me happy anymore. Like and then this podcast came sort of from that vision and energy is now I want to give it a run. I want to give it a try and meeting the most interested, wonderful people I can as as often as I can through a podcast. Right and just sharing the love that's hot and it makes me happy and it just makes I don't know what I'm doing but it makes me happy you're doing great oh so listen to your stories on like bringing tears to my eyes man I want to be doing what you're doing is you're doing your love backline guitars I can see the love and your products here it's just well this is crazy.

Tim Ronan 21:23

We are hiring you know.

Antonio Leal 21:25

Just come in here I'm telling you

Tim Ronan 21:27

I bought us the floors a little dirty we need a little sweep up and need someone to do sanding the bane of my existence.

Antonio Leal 21:34

I don't like saying but the love I see it here I see it here so it's wonderful and and your and your social media presence. Once I started this podcast, I just saw what you were doing. I know you as a musician, as a musician as Oh my God, look at this talent and fuck he's doing all this shit. This is crazy. Right? I just had to see it and I and I had to talk to you about it.

Tim Ronan 21:55

Right guitar makings interesting. It's a lot of people are doing it. Believe it or not, a lot of people a lot of Luth guitar makers, no one has a luthier which is French translation for loop maker.

Antonio Leal 22:08

Didn't know that luthier

Tim Ronan 22:10

Yeah. Anyways, a lot of luthers and cabac building acoustic guitars, and, and I'm one of many here in Ontario. And you know, it's it's hard to get your name out there and establish a business and more importantly trust with people. So I'm feeling a feeling uprise a backlink guitars. I think it's I think it's starting to pick up steam a little bit. It's a very slow start, because there's a heck of a lot of competition with the big names like fender and Gibson Paul Reed Smith, you know, yeah, so, who am I? In this world of all these guitars? It's it's hard to fit in. And you know, it's funny people come to me I love this because they walk in the door and their friends and family this a 10 love you guitars you know what you need to do. Okay, Okay, hit me. What is it? I guarantee you I know what you're about to say right now. You're gonna get someone famous to play your guitar. Awesome, man. Okay, who do you know? No one. Okay, so, all right. Thanks for the advice.

Antonio Leal 23:16

Well if this podcast all right can reach out we're gonna just share, share, share, okay, okay, share it out there. Slash Perry. Anybody? Anybody any gurus out there guitar gurus, man,

Tim Ronan 23:29

it's tough with those guys because a lot of them are already endorsed.

Antonio Leal 23:32

Yeah, right. Oh, they and they probably can't

Tim Ronan 23:34

Yeah, right. A lot of them can't so to find someone who's kind of up and rising. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah. You know get a guitar in their hands. Yeah. And if any musician out there feels like their band is up and rising. Contact me. Yeah, to me and maybe I'll get your guitar in your hand.

Antonio Leal 23:50

Absolutely feel the love feel the love with backline Right.

Tim Ronan 23:53

Yeah. So you know, this is where I came to idea, you know, if I can't find someone to endorse me. Yeah, so Well, hey, I can play guitar. I'm pretty good at it. Why don't I endorse myself? Is that is that okay to do? Am I allowed to do that? Because I am doing it. And so make theirs make? Yeah, I'm putting my it's fun. You know, it's it's awkward. Sometimes it's weird in the social media world, you turn on the camera, and it's like, I'm filming myself by myself in a room. And, you know, no one's here to clap for this song. But I know that people look at it, and it's fun, or they'll enjoy it. Right? So that's kind of the route I'm taking Well, if no one's gonna endorse me, because it's hard to find endorsers maybe I'll just endorse myself for a while and I'll play my guitars and I'll sing with them. And, and not just play riffs. I like, I like playing songs. Because that's what it's about. And yeah, I love I love it. And I'm, I'm so happy that I finally started writing again. And I'm really excited to release some original tunes up to the world. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, I'm excited. They're cool tunes like this. I think So you guys can have your own opinions.

Antonio Leal 25:02

Oh no, that's great. And who's your in the music world a band musician. You know, who are your inspirations out there? Who are your mentors out there in the music world?

Tim Ronan 25:14

Wow. I don't know, man. That's you don't have a favorite, favorite band favorite. That's there's so much. There's so much out there. There's so much. What did I like as a kid growing up? I like Pink Floyd. I like Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix. All those guitar gurus Mark Knopfler love dire straits. Even some local people. They they helped me. Bernard O'Grady. That guy taught me how to how to rock and roll man. He's a keyboard player. And there's an Allison part of a band or just Yeah, he's he's he plays gigs all over the area. He's he's been an inspiration for me. He kind of like his protege. He He's family. He's He's my cousin and plays piano. He's playing many he played in a band called Oliver heaviside they won the homegrown contest, I think. I don't know the story on that completely. But yeah, that guy taught me a lot of stuff. And even from things like how to sing and just be a performer how to how to present yourself. And yeah, I mean, I'm my my gears are turning here, trying to think who else Chris Taggart and her husband, Chuck, Dan, curly, all these guys and I'm sorry if I missed any. They're all chapters in your life. Yeah. As inspirations. as of recently, there's, I don't know if there's anyone that's coming to mind. I kind of live under a rock man. I kind of stay in my own little world that still listen to the classics. Yeah. I love old blues, Ray Charles. Stuff like that. I really love the blues roots. And like Simon and Garfunkel Oh man, I love that stuff, the songwriting styles it changes as you get older so you feel that getting

Antonio Leal 27:11

Well yeah, this new release will have a little while. Yeah, we are getting on well for me Listen, I got you know more yesterday than tomorrow so you know that much right? You know, but I'm going to keep on kicking as long as I can. But in your music writing then do you have a favorite? I mean, you know, Simon and Garfunkel whatever, is there?

Tim Ronan 27:33

No, no, I don't I like them all. Yeah, and there's there's so much there's so much out there

Antonio Leal 27:39

and and in this release in this new release that you have or any of the songs reflective of your life.

Tim Ronan 27:47

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. A lot of them.

Some might even be songs about people, you know,

Antonio Leal 27:55

oh, I don't know. Yeah.

Tim Ronan 27:58

You know, I think that's The beauty of some of the I mean, there are some famous famous songs out there where people are guessing at what the lyrics are still today. Yeah. And the composers are not letting out. Yeah, out of the bag. What that you know what the meaning of that verse was or the meaning of the husband's work right? With this album, I've been really, really good at fictional writing. So I've been writing lyrics about just a feeling that, how to explain that. It's an idea. And it's, say you say a song about missing somebody. But I wrote the song, not about any particular person. It's just a song that someone can relate to. But it's all it's all fictional. Yeah, like I wrote a song about a crazy guy.

Antonio Leal 28:47

I know a few of those.

Tim Ronan 28:49

Yeah, I'm one of them. Fully insane.

Antonio Leal 28:53

trying the same thing. expecting to crazy man crazy man, crazy man.

Tim Ronan 28:59

It's a fictional story. What a crazy guy get taken away in a straitjacket. And it's just like a little thing. I made up my head and I turned into a song. So I don't really particularly write about people, but there's definitely influences in my life that directs the lyrics right now. Yeah,

Antonio Leal 29:12

yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. So listen, you know, I'm just really amazed with you, Tim again, backline guitar, this vision you have it's masterpieces out here. Check out Tim's social media feeds with everything he's making here on a per guitar basis. And I'll share some of these photos I've taken here in a shot but he's got one that just he had a good mark for it. Like Steve Jobs would want this guitar just looks like the apple guitar.

Tim Ronan 29:40

Yeah, the apple of guitar. Yeah. And this one's on sale right now. And I think I'm thinking the sale is gonna end probably the next week. So things are gonna go back to normal is sort of like like, stay at home sale. Yeah. Um, yeah. Check me out at backlink guitars calm at Instagram is at backline guitar no es. And then there's I'm on Facebook too. And it's not like I have a YouTube channel as well I just have a couple tidbits in there and just the offshoots that you're making to from your your your your beautiful woodworking your cigar trays.

Antonio Leal 30:16

Well those are cool saw stairs you were making.

Tim Ronan 30:18

Oh no, those were a bunch of asteroids together.

Antonio Leal 30:23

That's all otherwise moving into the housing industry in stairs,

Tim Ronan 30:26

right? It was artistic.

Antonio Leal 30:28

It actually actually look like back stairways to a patio. Or some fancy stair.

Tim Ronan 30:32

Oh, very fancy. Yeah, put them in my place.

Antonio Leal 30:35

Well, listen, I've got usually my intro riff that will start this podcast and you've obviously heard already, but the riff on the way out, I think would be awesome. Would you be interested in displaying a bit of your talent so we could listen to it here?

Tim Ronan 30:52

Oh, sure. Why not? Let's do it.

Antonio Leal 30:56

We're going to do a little video clip and Tim's got a special song that he's gonna have for us here to end the show. And I'm putting my video camera together here. And we're going to dedicate this song to one of my best buddies out west. Mr. Vic, this is for you, buddy. We're coming at you now. All right, Tim Ronan is coming at you.

Tim Ronan 31:34

That's great. backline barn cat school.

Antonio Leal 32:52

Keep that shit up Tim Ronan backline get ties over and out

Tim Ronan 33:06

Yeah, do it again.

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